Discussion for Hand Grinders

(Jeremias Paul) #6

I’ve used a few… I like the Feldgrind a lot, but the Commandante is hard to beat… If you can get your hands on one!

(Korey Kostek) #7

So, from this thread thus far, the comparison I’d be interested in seeing is between the Lido 3 and the Commandante. From what I’ve been able to find elsewhere online the Lido 3 has a leg up in it’s ease of grind size adjustment. To me, the Lido 3 also just seems more durable and sharp (while the Commandante does have the nice wood and glass pieces, I would think those components wouldn’t be as travel-friendly as the Lido 3’s plastic, cast aluminum, and silicone).

Here’s the video I’m using for reference on the Lido 3.

Here’s the video I’m using for reference on the Commandante.

(j l) #8

Another Lido 3 fan here, when I travel for an extended time. It travels with me. Grind is amazing consistent in a way that hario slim ill and porlex plus clones are not.

Though there are some hacks out there to improve the grind.

(Dave Choi) #9

I do not know what feldgrind or commandante are like, but I do own a Lido 2 and it’s fantastic.

Lido 2 uses conical burrs which produce relatively even grinds, but unfortunately it will also consistently produce ~10% fines across the grind size spectrum. This is rather acceptable and significantly better than any grinders (handheld or electric) at its price range that I know of. The last thing I want to add is that its performance varies depending on the density of the bean. Darker, fully developed beans grind smoothly and evenly. Lighter beans with greater density seem to crack more so than grind and therefore tend to create more uneven grind distribution and fines.

So the verdict? Not perfect but well worth every penny.

(Stephane) #10

Many point of views of differents models we are talking here http://www.home-barista.com/forums/ :wink:

(Dean Mercer) #11

If we’re talking grind quality & consistency, it has to be Comandante. Yeah, the Lido 3 is great compared to anything else, but the Comandante has the most consistent grind & feel that I’ve used.

I do however, wonder if the build quality of the Comandante would stand up to continued use and travel (definitely not as svelte or robust as the Lido 3).

(Randy Hidalgo) #12

I have owned the Lido2 since it came out but I still drool over the Portapresso Rosco and Rosco Mini. A local friend of mine swears by his Feldgrind, but he also liked my Lido quite a bit. Ultimately your location & currency exchange rate will determine which are most in reach, but you can’t go wrong with OE, Knock (save shipping/communicating) or Portapresso.

(Scott Bentley) #13

+1 for Made by Knock, I saw Peter at World of Coffee and he assures me they have new stock. We did a group test on hand grinders in the past and the Knock ones always come out very well.

(Kay Ingram) #15

Would love to get my hands on a Comandante. Currently trialing the
Camano Coffee Mill at home for something a bit different. Completely
hand-made, so the price tag is also a bit hefty.

(Chris A) #16

I’ve a Lido E which I find to produce a very consistent grind for espresso and it is also considerably better for pour over than either the Porlex tall or Hario Skerton that I used previously. It’s not the ideal for travelling but it’s very sturdy.

I had planned to purchase a Made by Knock feldgrind originally but after a terrible experience purchasing a tamper from them I decided on the Lido. If you do go for anything from them I would suggest you get it from a retailer who stocks their stuff rather than direct. The only way I received any communication from them regarding my unfulfilled order was by calling them out on social media. I wouldn’t like to try to get support from them in the event that anything went wrong with your grinder.

(Korey Kostek) #17

Yea, since this discussion has progressed, I’ve decided to go for the Lido. I contacted Prima Coffee, who sell the Lido 3, and asked when it would be back in stock. They said they haven’t heard anything from Orphan Espresso for 7 months. That’s a shame. It seems to be an excellent grinder, I hope they continue to produce it soon for the entire community’s sake!

In the meantime, I’ll look elsewhere/ wait for handground.com to finish.

(Hendry Chairumin) #18

what about Zassenhaus grinder?

(Arnhem Coffee Roastery) #20

I have owned all the Lido models, the first Pharos off the production line, a Comandante, Hausgrind by Knock and an HG-One.

The only ones I still own are the HG-One for home use with my commercial lever machine, its an extraordinary grinder and replaced a Compack K10.

For travel I kept the Hausgrind, its got the best build quality of all the smaller hand grinders, beautifully finished with english timber and the easiest adjustment.

For mine there was no material difference between the portable hand grinders I have owned in terms of grind quality or results in the cup, but ease of adjustment becomes the point of difference for me.

(Jessica Coleman) #21

I own a Lido 3 and would have to agree on all the positive feedback. I love it!

However, shortly after getting it I managed to get the adjustment ring locked. It has taken me a while to find someone capable of getting it unlocked (perhaps I’m lacking in strength or loosened it enough for someone else to accomplish what I couldn’t).

Besides that, I’m an advocate for the Lido 3. The grind is incredibly consistent compared to other grinders I have seen.

(Tamás Baranyai) #23

Hi Koney, in UK they have it on stock… https://www.coffeehit.co.uk/lido-3-hand-coffee-grinder.html
I did buy mine, and I love it…

(Tio Nico) #24

I guess I’m rather Old School. some years back I found an old hand crank conical burr grinder on eBay in Germany, and bought it. I think it cost me some US$35 landed. It is made by DeVe, the premier Dutch maker of such things, and based on the design of the logo decal on the front, was made about 1960. The handle and top, with flap to load whole beana, are solid copper, NOT plated steel, the design of the burrs makes grinding quite fast and even. I get pretty consistent particle size distribution, and few fines. The adjustment is simple: a thumb screw moves the loe=wer shaft bearing up and down. I find I need a slightly finer grind for Aeropress than I do for French Press, and it only takes maybe three seconds to slide the drawer out, move the wing of the thumb screw, and replace the drawer. I know just where to set it for those two brew methods. Pourover/Chemex I think would be a touch finer yet than the Aeropress setting.I have used this mill for perhaps eight years, taking it with me everywhere. Travel by bike, it goes into the top part of the rear rack bag. It weighs in at just about a kilo. It only takes maybe 30 or 35 seconds to grind sufficient whole bean for a 1.5 litre French Press, far less for the Aeropress. No, it will not grind finely enough for espresso, byt tut that is no issue as I do not have such a machine. If I di manage to get one, since it will require mains power, a regular mains-powered countertop grinder will be handy. I’ve taken this Dutch mill cycle touring, camping, road travel, boating, and one time when an electric burr mill burned out doing large batches for an event, I commandeered some teenagers with something to prove, dosed the grinder and handed it round to them, who had races to see who could grind the fastest. Hilarious!! Oh, because of the high craftsmanship and fruitwood used for the “box” part of the mill, this thing is also a work of fine craftsmanship bordering on functional art. I ALWAYS get comments on it when I take it about with me.

(Tio Nico) #25

Ones made between about 1950 or so and before the modern ones with plastic parts for the burr set carrier are pretty good. Very even grind, durable, and look good. Before that date, they had some fiddly adjustment mechanisms, and the bearings were not sufficiently robust to stand the test of long use. Once the plastic bits came into vogue, they again lost what they had gained in the redesign of about 1950 or so. Typically the ones with the adjustment screw/handnut at the bottom of the main shart are strong and robust. When the adjustment is at the top above the bean hopper, the shaft and other bearings are too weak, and don’t hold up. Some of the models made during the 1960’s and 70’s are astoundinly beautiful, I have some. Their “wahlemüllen” are definitely works of high art yet functional. The artwork on the ceramic bowls is amazing.

Their Turkish mills (nickel or brass cylinder shaped models) during the entire time they made them are very fine instruments, and can actually grind for espresso and turkish coffee. Their rival at that time and for those mills was the Peter Dienes company, building both in Germany and Holland. Pe De is an abbreviated name style for them, seen on many of their mills. I’ve not seen a DeVe “turkish” mill, but that’s not proof they don’t exist. I do have a number of the Zasso and PeDe turkish mills, though, some I think dating from the 1920’s and 30’s.

Finding any of these at the present time would be quite the challenge, though… I’ve not seen one on eBay for years, and before that they were rather dear. I managed to find some bargains in Germany, France, and Holland, and took advantage of those offers.I think most of those have been claimed by collectors and such. Rather an esoteric branch of the industry, but for decades nearly every home in Europe had, and used daily, these hand cranked mills… box mills, (table top), knee mills (put between your knees to operate), Turkish mills, and the amazingly beautiful and artictic Wall Mills… Trosser were the low price “chevy” range, yet even those were fairly high quality and withstood the test of time. Their burrs were not quite so well cut, thus not as clean, but for the average householder brewing in a French Press, they worked well. They are still worthy of note. The French Peugeots (yes, the car and bicycle company, coffee mills is how the “Peugeot Freres” started in business about 1885. Any of theirs, even the cheap stamped tin box mills, are worth getting if you can find them. All of them work well. I laughed out loud when I first noticed the short, stright bicycle spoke and nipples used at the four corners to hold the metal body onto the woden top and bottom!! Hilarious, and ingenious!! It works, is cheap, fixable, what else is needed? Those are fine mills. Zassenhaus are the better known here in the US< simply because they kept producing until well after all the other companies had folded or gone out of that line of product.

(Jessica Mae Lancaster) #26

Hey Korey,

I work at CREMA Coffee Roasters in Nashville, TN. While we don’t have the Lido 3 grinder on our website yet, we do have a few in stock! I’m in love with it and definitely recommend if you are going to be traveling and want a durable, quality product. Email me: jess@crema-coffee.com and we can most likely sell and ship one to you if you don’t want to wait!

(Glen Nicol) #28

Hi!anybody have any opinions on the Feldgrind from Scotland or Helor 101?Considering to buy the Feldgrind…Thank u

(j l) #29

When I was travelling to Nashville, definitely enjoyed stopping by CREMA Coffee, really awesome! Particularly the Yemen :slight_smile:

Can’t recommend the Lido 3 enough, works great for travel and easy to clean.